Fallout3: Where’s the Original Sin?

by Steve Bowler on November 19, 2008 · 31 comments

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Apologies that the posts haven’t been coming lately.  I hope you can understand.  I’ve been playing Fallout3.  A lot.  Like, every possible moment I can.  It is, in a way, the ultimate culmination of some of my gaming favorites.  It’s quite possibly the peanut butter/chocolate combination of my American RPG favorites, so hopefully this will be the first of a three part series this week about teh Fallouts.

I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not the biggest Fallout fan on the planet.  I’ve only previously played Fallout 2 until it became impossible to play any further due to a bug in the 1.0 version of the game (I’d come to find out that the 1.0 version was impossible to finish even if I didn’t hit the following bug).  The 1.1 patch made 1.0 saves incompatible, and I wasn’t about to start over after investing over 40 hours in the game.  But I loved every minute of it.  I figured out how to play through the entire game solo mission until I got the “cursed dog” bug, where it won’t ever leave you, giving you a Luck score of 1, which makes the game pretty much unplayable.  You and the guy fighting you will never hit the broad side of a barn with a mini-gun set to full spray.  It’s that bad.  But my time invested?  Loved every minute of it.

I’m also a ginormous fan of Bethsoft’s Arena Scrolls RPGs.  I never played Arena (although I watched my wife play it a bunch), but I dove right in when Daggerfall came out, playing it until I was simply exhausted from the grind.  I played Morrowind again until I was spent, never finishing it either.  Then Oblivion hit and I played it every night ’till at least 2 am (try it with a baby on your hands sometime.  It’s like staying up ’till 5am) until I had logged about 54 hours in and wound up realizing that a thief/assassin didn’t care if the world was in peril; there’s nothing to steal and no one to kill under contract in hell.  So I retired as the world’s greatest Theifsassin and called it a day.

So, as you can imagine, when Bethesda did the press release that they had purchased the rights to Fallout, and when I learned that Oblivion’s Assassin’s Guild writer was going to be doing a larger role in Fallout3, I was pretty ecstatic.

Let me attempt to explain why.

Fallout already was steeped in debauchery.  Not only did they handle the graphic violence better than almost anyone (bloody mess perk = amazing), the Fallout series was always brutally honest about humanity.  Sure, you can be a beacon of hope if you want to.  But you can also revel in sin.  Like drugs?  Fallout has ‘em.  Like sex with prostitutes?  Hell, Fallout 2 will take it one further and let you be in a frickin’ post apocalyptic porno.  You have a sub-class of humans (ghouls) who not only symbolize every underclass in American history, but they even took the literal step of making them horrible to look at.  The player actually is forced to look past the surface if they hope to understand ghouls.  Of course, you’re welcome to hate them and murder them at will, too.  In fact, they balanced a lot of this out by making you addicted to drugs, with negative repercussions, you got a nasty venereal disease from nailing the tramps, and you lost out on any good quests/items the ghouls had by wiping them out.

While the Elder Scrolls games were never really about debauchery, I eventually stumbled upon something fairly “wrong” that made my time in their worlds as a Thiefsassin (screw the term “Rogue” I’m coining a new one here) even more compelling of an experience for me.  It all happened out of complete necessity way back in Daggerfall.

While I was wandering the wilds getting my murder and my killing on, two things happened almost simultaneously.

  1. I realized I was wasting a lot of my time in game re-exploring dungeons I’d already been through because they were barren, with no dead bodies in them.
  2. The game was reaping dead bodies, with loot on them or not, while leaving items dropped persistent in the world (items aren’t ever reaped.  You drop it, it stays there).

Now, being the Thiefsassin that I am, I wasn’t about to go leaving big ticket items like swords or armor in front of the exits for dungeons.  That shit is to be sold and make you big money!  And I largely ignore cups or daggers left lying about as just general detritus; how am I to remember if I left that cup on the floor or if it was one that happened to be placed there by the designers?  After a few dungeons it’s hard to remember you’ve even been to a dungeon, let alone if you’ve dropped an item there or not.

Then, a funny thing happened.  I was looting a corpse, and I accidentally removed a shirt I didn’t want from the victim.  Instead of putting it back on the victim’s body, I just cast it aside, and it appeared on the ground, neatly folded, and the victim was left bare chested.  I wondered, would this trend continue?  I grabbed the pants, and sure enough, naked legs.  I threw them on the floor (neatly folded, of course), while I yanked off the boots and threw them on the floor as well.

Suddenly, I had the solution to knowing if I’d been in a dungeon or not:  Folded clothes left everywhere.  The bodies would reap, but the clothes would remain.

But more importantly, I realized the hilarity/absurdity of the situation.  Here I was, the world’s greatest Theifsassin, killing my marks, and then taking their clothes off, and folding them neatly next to their bodies.  I began laughing out loud while I imagined what the poor victim’s families must have had to go through stumbling upon the scene:

Oh god, Gwendaline, are you okay?  Did you have too much to drink again last night?  My sweet wife, why are you–   OH GOD SHE’S DEAD.  She’s been murdered, and…wait, why is she naked? MY WIFE IS DEAD.  AND NAKED.  AND waitaminute why did he fold her clothes?

I don’t know, it’s possible I’m the only person who finds this hilarious, but it eventually became my calling card.  If I killed a victim, I put their clothes on the floor.  Even if I knew I wasn’t coming back.  It’s not enough to kill your victim.  It’s not even enough to leave a card.  Only the greatest Theifsassins leave their victims dead and humiliated.  That is the greatest card of all.

So you can imagine how delighted I was when that infamous “nude patch” came out for Oblivion.  The one that rendered the bra invisible?  My interest in it wasn’t sexual.  No, in fact, it was professional.  It was one more degree of humiliation for my victims.  If someone had made the bottom underwear also see through I would have been just as excited to leave the men nude.  I’m an equal opportunity post mortem humiliator.  I’m no misogynist Thiefsassin.  I want to shame both sexes equally.

Now, imagine my excitement when I found out that not only was Fallout3 going to be made in the Oblivion engine, but that it was going to be rated M.  Surely they were going to allow for some nudity?  I was fully expecting at least nude breasts straight out of the box.  Prostitution is practically a bullet point on the back of the box.  They’ve taken moral themes farther than any other game in history.  There’s pat/matricide.  Not only can you take drugs, you can make drugs.  Active player participated cannibalism (if you choose).  Players enslaving NPCs.  Frickin’ interactive slavery for crying out loud.  Garden variety violence no longer seems even remotely T rated in light of this title.

And yet.  They evidently were pretty sore about the ESRB fiasco over the Oblivion nude patch.

There’s no real nudity to speak of in Fallout3.  I think you can game a really blurry view of a crotch if you can find Dukov’s Place and find an upskirt view of Cherry of Fantasia in their silk teddies, but for the most part, there isn’t even side-boob.  And it’s not that I need nudity in the game.  I can surely mod it using the previous Oblivion tools to get it if I wanted (and I’ve already installed a few), but it’s downright absurd that there isn’t nudity in this game.  I’m not asking for even soft-core porn, but when I remove the armored bra from a Raider with the hope to sell it, and a giant grey sports-bra pops up in its place, covering 200% more skin than the original bra did, well, you’re really killing the immersion, and making a hilariously pointless moral stand in a game about depravity.  The bucket’s already overflowing.  Your thimble sized bail-out effort isn’t really saving anyone here.

Even the prostitution stinks.  All she does is go lay down in the bed you’ve purchased for the night, and you get to sleep next to her.  You wake up in the morning, and she leaves.  Sex isn’t even hinted at, other than an “I’m done here” voice call way.  It’s really less virtual prostitution and more like a 25th marriage anniversary simulation that you just paid 120 credits for.  Mass Effect certainly created a more titillating sex scene.  They at least showed some blue side-boob.

Now, I’ve had some folks call me a “pervert” for finding this beef with this game, but come on.  I’m not a sick bastard for enslaving people (or wanting to enslave at least the slavers?  I’m not at that point in the game yet)?  No one questions my desire for the bloody mess perk which causes my victims to spontaneously explode into a gooey mess with eyeballs flying at the camera?  Cannibalism is taken at face value somehow?  I know I’m just retreading an old straw-man here, but why is super ultra violence and moral depravity okay so long as it’s not naked?

Let’s face it:  Fallout is about a post-apocalyptic wasteland frontier.  The universe is painted with some of the most desperate souls, doing some of the most desperate acts conceivable by man.  So where the hell is the original sin?

Fallout without at least some R rated nudity/sexual themes is like the Wild West without the guns.  It’s like Vegas without gambling.  Amsterdam without the red light district.  Okay it’s like the Wild West and Vegas without the strippers and prostitution, too.  The fact that Fallout’s missing one of the pillars of debauchery is inexcuseable.  Especially when the Fallout franchise pretty much created the expectation for it to be there in the first place.

But to be fair it isn’t really Bethsoft’s fault.

I have a feeling it’s the ESRB’s.

More on that tomorrow (or at least later in the week).  Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to experiment with alpha settings on an underwear.dds file.

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Fred November 19, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Wouldnt it be kinda weird seeing naked folks strewn about the landscape? personally Id much rather see decomposition or wild dogs pulling apart the bodies. whatever…I got my money’s worth.

yeah, censorship sucks, but if they had left child killing/prostitution/nudity in there, imagine the shitstorm that’d bring down. I think they did the smart thing.

spitfire November 19, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Well, no one’s advocating child killing, and there is prostitution, it’s just not done well. I’m only asking for nudity. It’s still considered an M rating.

Tino November 20, 2008 at 1:28 am

I think you make a very interesting point here. The discrepancy between allowing things like sex (in theory in this case I suppose) and slavery to be participated in by the player, but refusing something as simple as nudity is mind-boggling. Then again, in a world where video games are attacked for containing deleted content that can be reactivated by third party alterations, it isn’t really so surprising. Clearly the standards for ratings and censorship in this industry need to be seriously re-evaluated.

Also, just as a general note, I find you blog to be consistently thought-provoking, insightful, and mature. Please keep up the excellent work.

Skye November 20, 2008 at 9:10 am

There does seem to be a weird split personality operating in the game. More freedom in some aspects, very harsh limits in others. I want to say I read an article at some point about Bethesda talking about why there were no children in the Elder Scrolls games and I believe the logic was that they did not want to have to deal with the impact of allowing that choice. I think some of that carried into Fallout 3. The visibility on this game was pretty intense so I think the bottom line won out so the game could actually reach the market.

As they have gotten more and more successful there has been a bit more self censorship on their parts. Some of this could be location based, since they are right in the Beltway out here and some pols deciding to do some local crusading could be a real pain in the ass for Bethesda.

There was a tiny shitstorm just with the advertisements in Metro Center showing images of the Capital Wasteland. I had to explain to one person what Fallout 3 actually was after a Caps game back in October. It was an interesting conversation to say the least.

BTW I love the fact that the metros in the game are extraordinarily similar to the real thing. Two downsides for me though, one my office building is now the home of the Arlington Library in game and my house in Alexandria just didn’t make it in the game, the map doesn’t go far enough south. This hasn’t stopped me from being completely overwhelmed by this game though. I’ve had Fallout dreams for the last week straight.

Suj November 20, 2008 at 9:39 am

I think the developers have a misconception on revenue to target audence…meaning the less they put in to cause a less restrictive audience rating …more of a revenue stream on this. Its a dollars and cents game unfortunately…Reality on this to me is this game has a history of really blowing away conventional moral notions in a desperate time …its just a fantasy world and an escape for those that would seek it in a game so why even think restrictions. They should at least release a mod to satisfy a more visceral experience…to manage expectations for such a game better. Maybe they feel that if they show nudity in game for a prostitue kids may go have such an expectation when they seek real prostitutes cuz of this game?? :) oh well..

mos November 20, 2008 at 11:48 am

You can find a nude patch (and close-up screenshots of vajayjay!) at http://www.fallout3nexus.com/

Jules November 20, 2008 at 2:27 pm

Isn’t the original sin where Adam and Eve ate the fruit of knowledge in the garden of good and evil? The one christians get born with because they’re descendants of A. and E? (this must be the worst nitpick ever :)

spitfire November 20, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Indeed, Jules, but the true sin (when you boil it down) wasn’t eating the fruit, it was Adam allowing himself to be tempted.

And what’s more tempting than some flesh? :) Additionally, after they gained the knowledge from the fruit, they realized they were naked, and became ashamed and put on clothes.

Yeah, I’m not spot on the letter, but I’m close enough. ;)

Fred November 20, 2008 at 7:18 pm

maybe they should just release the uncensored version in Soddom or something ;)

thbsp November 23, 2008 at 8:28 am

this censorship dichotomy of allowing the most extreme forms of violence while being conservative towards sexual themes is one that appears often in american media. the case in europe is somewhat the opposite.
example: a relative of mine from england was visiting and he and i (i’m canadian) decided to watch ‘the illusionist’ (movie about a magician; edward norton, paul giamatti, jessica biel).
anyways, both violence and sex are depicted in the movie. the violence – a man shooting himself in the head – was clearly shown and, while not gratuitous, left nothing to the imagination.
the sex – the male and female leads having sex – was done in a very coy fashion and nothing suggestive was shown, to the extent that a younger person watching the movie may not have realized what had taken place.
my relative’s comment afterwards was that the movie suffered from “american movie syndrome”.

this brings up an interesting point about which is less harmful to a developing mind – sex or violence?
my leaning is towards sex; it is possible to engage in sex education and sex itself in a healthy, non-destructive manner, but this is not possible for violence.

Jamo November 26, 2008 at 5:47 pm

I agree that it’s a stupid line, and my opinion is the same as with guns. “education, not legislation” of course regulation might fit better in this case.

JC December 9, 2008 at 10:51 am

I was very fortunate to stumble upon this interesting discussion. Intelligent people that love videogames…why I never!?

Anyway to the matter at hand. It is strange that we accept violence in entertainment when it is a complete anti-social behaviour. To commit murder or assault would land you in jail. Sex and nudity are completely natural and fundamental in our progress as a species, without sex we would simply not exist and yet we treat it as a 7 headed monster. If I had children I would much rather they saw a naked body than a decapitated head. Although I have to admit the decapitating of heads and violence in Fallout 3 is highly enjoyable. Nudity is possibly…no definitely the least depraved (if you can call it that) aspect of the original Fallout games and they excluded it? It makes no sense.

Also if they can have movies like American Pie and countless others where nudity is commonplace…why can’t we have it in adult rated games. I’m not even talking X-rated.

Crow December 21, 2008 at 8:36 am

When I payed Nova? I had no idea I was propositioning her (my fault ?), I assumed I was paying for the room. I was amused when I experienced there was little to no debauchery in a Fallout game.

So I went and nuked the town, shot missiles into Bigtown and ended the night with a little child slavery.

But at least none of that virulent sex-filth touched me.

Jools March 31, 2009 at 1:05 pm

This really annoyed me too. I remember what I thought after sleeping with my first prostitute in Fallout 3 (I do mean Sleeping):
“Selling people into slavery is just fine and dandy, while both nudity and consensual sex are unthinkable? Holy crap, people have started getting their morals from the church.”

David April 1, 2009 at 4:03 pm

That’s Elder Scrolls, my friend. Arena was simply the first part of the Elder Scrolls series.

sandman April 4, 2009 at 1:29 am

yeppers, i paid the $130 for this game.
and after the eye candy wore off, (about 3 days)
i realized that this game was not fallout, no imerision, fo tactics was better than this P.O.S. fo3, i wish i could ask for my money back. and if that is an example of what beth will do to the dear fallout series, i will not be buying any of the downloadable content. this game might have got by with a name like , post-apocalyptic D.C., or anything but fallout, because fallout it is NOT.
cheers.

Maddy June 17, 2009 at 10:32 am

Maa, Spitfire, I totally agree.

When we got the game, my boyfriend and I were looking forward to experiencing the depravity (so, I also understand your calling card). When we found out that nudity was censored out, it was a huge anticlimax.

And nudity’s not even that horrible of an offense. MUCH less than slavery, child-killing, prositituiton, etc. In fact, the game developers could have even asserted that their choice to include nudity was an artistic decision.

Ta~

PS – This has probably been said to you before, many times, but I thoroughly enjoy your insights. They make gameplay a lot more intriguing/thought-provoking. <83

Coffee Cup June 20, 2009 at 4:06 am

I just want to throw in something about your comparison of movies featuring violence but no nudity.

In movies, violence is simulated. Nudity is real however. Maybe people are fine watching morally objectionable content as long as they can remember it is all staged and faked.

In a video game however, nudity would be as fake as the violence so your point still stands.

On a side note, I hold the Freudian viewpoint that we, as intellectual beings, are a blend of instinct and morality (I’m referring to the whole It/Ego/Superego theory). I believe it is healthier for our mental health and balance to learn to resist the urges that our instinct produces in us (such as sex and violence).

But I do not think we should resist all our instinctive urges either. In my opinion, this would be too much for us and very unhealthy. So even though I do not support limitless sex, I still think nudity (or violence) would not be a bad thing in a video game. However, I should also point out that I would draw the line when too much emphasis is put by the developers on the quality of the violence and sex: blowing a head up is fine for me, but I don’t think such an event needs to be extra-graphic. A bit of blood and flesh flying everywhere is ok, but if we can see shards of bone and specific anatomical parts flying around I would start getting worried about what we are heading for. Flying eyeballs was at the limit for me, I would not like a more graphical exploding head sequence than the one in Fallout 3.

I was also really upset about the lack of sex in Fallout 3. I’m not asking for a lot of graphical realism, but I wish we had options when it comes to sex in that game. I don’t care about the lack of graphic sex (though it could have a bit more, at least some nudity), but I find the lack of sex in the storyline and everyday life of my character very annoying.

Sorry, long message, but I like to express myself fully and clearly when I say something =)

And nice article by the way. I just discovered this blog, I’ll look at other articles you published here.

Deem November 3, 2009 at 8:05 pm

I didnt need the game to go too far with the nudity either, just that when you take off an armored bra that barely covers anything, a grey t-shirt that almost covers the whole torso shouldnt pop up on the body under it. Also in a world like fallout you know thered be at least ONE strip club, even if they dont allow them to go topless (like in GTA), which is actually the law in virginia

Nikolai December 18, 2009 at 5:42 pm

nothing ever makes sense anymore… blood/violence= OK…
drugs= OK…
human body= WRONG

seriously what the fuck

THERE IS SIDE BOOBAGE IN FALLOUT 3.

go to oasis, the lady in front with the assault rifle, well crouch down next to her and you can see side boob.

I have also discovered there is nudity, partial.
The best example i can give you to find this, is going to the German-town police HQ basement.
Go to the shooting range and a dead female raider is hanging from the ceiling. Go right next to her and play around next to her boobs in third person until you see the skin underneath.

all you would have to do is get an editor, and lightly take off the top layer of metal boob guards. And there you have boobs! *there are also nipples under it too, or at least dark red spots…*

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:30 am

no nudeness really come on :=r

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:32 am

what about oblivion too?

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:35 am

i hear there’s a mod for oblivion and for fallout p.s. i am typing this on my new DSI

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:39 am

but thats on pc so if you have a pc you fine but if not well… you get it

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:52 am

but i think oblivion is best ever so you can think what you wont but i wont be the juge of that but i played and beat fallout it’s ok but still oblivion is still the best of the best p.s. in oblivion lvl max is 255 i am at 24 so far p.s.s. you can a home in every town in the game plus there’s DLC’S that give you castels pirte ships crues your own world just aboet every thing so i highly recomend it if you like fallout 3 or fallout new vages good luck get it luck like the skill :-D

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 7:56 am

(own a home) my bad :-( p.s. look (-) boob thing :-D

Mr.DSI March 13, 2010 at 8:00 am

pleses comment p.s. does anyone here like alvin and the chipmunks? or bretne and the chipettes? comment

Mr.DSI March 16, 2010 at 1:59 am

i am now lvl 26 oblivion ho-ya p.s. fallout lvl max 30

Eulogy June 19, 2010 at 1:10 pm

Also thought it was a little strange how you could aquire a slave who’s “crazy in the sack” and often asks if she can “do anything to you”, and yet you can’t even sleep with her as you would nova!

Leo Star Dragon 1 September 21, 2010 at 7:40 am

Hello! I enjoyed your article! I read most of the comments too. But there’s one aspect that no one seems to have thought of, or if they did, I didn’t see any mention of it. You know why Graham Crackers were invented, don’t you? When Doctor Graham invented them, he thought it was a tasty method of getting honey into young boys so as to cure them of any tendency to masturbate. Of course now we know that human males need to masturbate for health reasons, just like they need to eat, urinate, et cetera. However, there are still people out there, religious or not, who have a problem with the concept of masturbation. Now sure, as George Costanza can confirm, one does not need to see total nudity to fantasize by, when merely skimpy will suffice. But Nudity is one element in a movie or game, that unlike the other elements, like say the violence, et cetera, that some of you mentioned, that does indeed induce sexual arousal in the visually oriented Human Male. Now as a gamer, male or female, you may be thinking that your masturbation acts are private and so on. But then you become a game maker, and you may think about all of those guys, and some gals out there, masturbating to any graphics that you design, and you may be put off by that, especially if you go by the cliché of the overweight, ugly gamer. Then maybe you’ll start seeing the point of view of those people you used to disagree with, pertaining to Nudity, be it female or male!

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